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وفيما قالت مصادر طبية وشهود عيان إن فلسطينيا استشهد في رفح جنوب قطاع غزة إثر إطلاق الرصاص عليه من جنود مصريين حاولوا منع المئات من الاقتراب من السياج الحدودي للقاء أقاربهم على الجانب الآخر، نفى المتحدث باسم الرئاسة في مصر سليمان عواد أن يكون حرس الحدود المصري قد قتلوا أي فلسطيني.

مش عارف أقول ايه، لو الكلام ده صحيح تبقى مصيبة، لأول مرة أحس بقرف من أني مصري، خلاص هنشارك الاسرائليين في جرائمهم، منحل ميتين أم الجيش اللي مالوش لازمة ده، يوم يضرب في المتظاهرين و يوم يقتل في الفلسطينيين، و عشر أيام يشحت من أمريكا، فكوه و أصرفوا الفلوس على التعليم ولا حاجة.

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I have contacted my sources in North Sinai and so far they have not reached an eye witness to confirm the news. My personal opinion is that even if it happened at such a critical time both Palestinian and Egyptian sides would prefer to resort to a political denial to avoid the tension and keep the bigger interests of controling the border and passages. I also find Soliman Awad's denial not strong enough. For example he didn't say that it would never happen which explains that it is something both sides will try to avoid, but it is still an option. I would have expected Awad and the Palestinians to say an investigation will take place instead of ekfoo 3al khabar magoor.

They hit and kill the Egyptian "citizens" why dont they shot the others who dont have any citizenship. It is not surprising any more what the "Egyptian" government are doing and has been doing for a long time. Actually the government probably are getting rewarded for this.

Blash gahel ba2a wy fate7 mo7'ek 3la elfeker elgadid wy alsalam wy el business. Salmly. Amr

PS it is brave of you to comment openly on this subject. May God protect you.

هذا هو ثمن شرعيه مبارك الف مبروك لمبارك الحكم الف مبروك لأمريكا تحكما اكثر في شئوننا الف الف مبروك لأسرائيل الحارس الخاص المجاني الف الف الف مبروك للشعب المصري اختياره

يارب ارحمهم فهم لايعلمون

لا لا يارب خدهم دول ولاد كلب

احنا نفينا الخبر ؟

بدل ما يتحاكم اللى قتله على الاقل اشرفلنا و احسلنا لان لما نحاكمة على الاقل مش هنكون مشاركين فى الجريمة دى لكن لما ننكر الحقيقة نبقى مجرمين فعلا

لا أعتقد أنه ستكون هناك ضرورة لإطلاق النار على الفلسطينيين إذا لم يقوموا بالتسلل عبر الحدود أو محاولات تهريب الأسلحة. أما إذا حدث ذلك، فطبيعي أن يتم الدفاع عن الحدود

أولا أقرأ القصة اطلاق النار كان في وسط احتفالات.

ثانيا لا يمكن أقبل ضرورة اطلاق النار و قتل المدنيين، أيا كانت الجريمة، على قوات الأمن التصرف بدون ازهاق أرواح

ثالثا مال أبونا أحنا و مال ايه اللي يتهرب جوه فلسطين أحنا نحمي حدود مصر و بس

Try to imagine yourself in the shoes of this soldier, you got hundreds of people on each side, you fire in the air to warn?, they see it as a form of celebration, you shout? they are chanting louder, you stop one, three others try breaching the border, what are you going to do finally?

ما هو إللي يتهرب جوة غزة ده ممكن يبقى واحد مفرقع قنبلة في سيناء ومش هيلاقي أحسن من غزة يستخبى فيها عند ولاد خالته. حماية الحدود معناه برده منع التهريب سواء من أو إلى مصر، لأننا مش ناقصين بلاوي تانية.

وبعدين صحيح إطلاق النار ماينفعش إلا إذا كان هناك تهديد مسلح مثلا، إنما إللي حصل ده (إذا كان مصر أصلا ليها علاقة) لسة مش واضح بالضبط، وحسب مابشوف، أي عيّل في غزة ممكن يشيل حتة سلاح، يعني سهل واحد غشيم يطخّله نفرين ويرجعوا يقولوا دي مصر قتلت فلسطيني، عشان يهيّجوا الناس

لأننا مش ناقصين بلاوي لازم التصرف بهدوء، لو سيادتهم مهتمين فعلا محدش من اللي نفذوا عمليات داخل مصر يهرب كانوا حاولوا يوصلوا للجناة الحقيقيين مش يعذبوا بلد على بعضها و يلفقوا قضية مضحكة لاتنين غلابة ملهمش في حاجة.

ثانيا في سلطة فلسطينية و في مصريين داخل الأراضي بيساعدوها يعني اللي عدى ممكن يتجاب تاني بعمل بوليسي جنائي لو الناس عاوزه

أنا فاهم طبعا أنه ممكن يكون مات برصاص حاجة تانية، لكن للأسف لا سمعناهم قالوا هنحقق و لا بطيخ، انكار و بس، المشكلة أني لا يمكن أثق في تصاريح النظام ده بعد التصاريح اللولبية اللي طلعوا بيها بعد طابا، و الموسكي و عبد المنعم رياض و شرم الشيخ، يعني غالبا لا يمكن نعرف أبدا ايه اللي حصل بجد.

Try to put yourself in this soldier's shoes. Hundreds of people on both sides, what do you expect him to do? Fire his gun in the air? They will consider it part of the celebration... try to stop one? Three others are trying to jump... should he sit there and watch them breach our land sovereignty? Should he let the gangs spread chaos across the border as it is the disgraceful case on their land?

This soldier stood up for a lot of us. I am not for killing under any condition but in this case I see it as clear self defense.

the border was open for most of the day, and might still be open.

lets wait for all the chaos and organized gangs to show up and wreck havoc.

Hi Alaa, I am a keen reader of your Blog, and I reckon you closely express my views in all your posts.

I don't agree with this post though, Borders are BORDERS; the soldiers guarding them are expected to do so.

Not because I love you and you are my cousin, you trespass my property and I am supposed to shut up nor am I supposed to leave you smuggle weapons and destabilize my land.

لأول مرة أحس بقرف من أني مصري

ما كنتش أحب حد يقول الكلمة ديه وخصوصاً منك إنت فمهما حصل ده ممكن يكون عيب فى الشخص أو فى النظام لكن ملوش دعوه بمصريتك (أو بالجنسية عموماً).

أنا كنت فى الجيش وأعرف إن مجرد إطلاق رصاصة واحدة حتى لو فى الهوا تعرض الجندى لمحاكمة عسكرية وتعرض قائد الوحدة لمسائلة ولوم شديدين. ده بالإضافة إن مافيش جندى بيبقى شايل سلاح متعمر بذخيرة حية إلا إذا كان فى موقع حساس يستلسم ذلك. بمعنى أخر فالجزيرة كعادتها تنشر نصف الخبر الذى يدعم إتجاهاتها السياسة وتخفى النصف الأخر. لا أنفى بلاهة تعليق سليمان عواد الذى يتعامل بعقلية العصر المغلق لكن أنا متأكد إنه كان فيه مبرر قوى جداً دفع هذا الجندى إنه يفكر فى ضغط الزناد ويقوم بإطلاق النار فعلاً.

أيضاً لست أبرر قتل أى حد حتى لو مجرم بهذا الشكل لكن يجب أن ننظر للخبر خارج جلباب الجزيرة.

تفتكر الجزيرة هيا اللي ضربت النار و قتلت الفلسطيني بغباء؟ ايه دخل اتجاه الجزيرة و جلبابها بالموضوع؟ انا مش بطيق الجزيرة ، بس الخبر مش هما مخترعينه عموما آدي الخبر من مصادر تانية:

http://www.palestinenet.org/english/archive2005/sep/week2/130905/13sepborderkilling.htm

Palestinian security is still investigating the killing of a Palestinian youth Monday. Egyptian security newly patrolling the border after Israeli occupation forces left killed 24 year old Nafez Attiya and moderately wounded another youth, according to medical sources in Rafah.

Palestinian witnesses said that Egyptian border police fired at a group of young Palestinians who were trying to enter the Egyptian territories.

Abu Khousa said, “We have witnessed some incidence of exceeding the limits on Monday on the Palestinian- Egyptian borders,” adding that the PA would no longer accept such actions as they were once forced to while under occupation in the area.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1927962005

http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept

- و آدي تصريحات سليمان عواد -اللي آخر حاجة فاكرهاله كانت لما قال ان اهتمام الاعلام الغربي باللي حصل يوم الاستفتاء مبالغ فيه-

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=6081128&cKey=1126531259000

Alaa, why didn't you post my comments?

protecting borders is no fucking excuse for killing.

you people seem to forget that rafah was one city, to it's inhabitants these are not borders, these are walls of oppression, Egyptian authorities need to figure some better way to deal with this mess.

judging by how honest and informative our lovely government has been after taba and sharm el sheikh, there is no way we can find out more about the truth, the fact that it is Soleiman Awad who is denying is enough to make me believe the story, after all as Mohammed said he is the one who alkmost denied referendum day violence.

we all know how open Egypt's borders are, we all know that all kinds of stuff are smuggled everyday, I saw an interpol report about child trade with trade routes passing by Egypt because the borders are soo loose, 7'alas 7abaket when people are celebrating we start remembering we have borders?

anyways, being told that thaty person died because they where protecting borders, or property won't cut it with me, you kill people to protect more people period, and to protect them from a direct and well known threat when you got no other means, you don't kill them for a hypothetical potentiality.

قبل أن تتسرع بالتعليق على الخبر كان الواجب تتأكد.. كل القنوات العالمية نفت الخبر يا حمادة

أنا تسألت اذا كان الخبر صحيح

للأسف التكذيب الوحيد اللي شفته جاي من ناس لا يمكن أثق فيهم و بالتالي أنا لسه معرفش حصل ولا لأ و ايه التفاصيل، و في الغالب مش هعرف أبدا

The report that an Egyptian soldier shot a Palestinian youth is true.

Which is why the Egyptian authorities have let go, allowing the naturally emotional flow of Palestinians to meet their relatives across the border and, yes, to buy cheap products and smuggle weapons if they can - an issue which I find surprising that anyone would condemn or dare attempt to argue "peace". the egyptians are in big trouble because they're not dealing with Egyptians (used to authoritarian rule and are easily oppressed) but with Palestinians who are not afraid to die. until today, they cannot even order the deployment of border troops, with the official Egyptian news agency saying "border guards preparing to assume positions." unconfirmed reports indicate the egyptians will try to deploy saturday. 1,200 palestinian security men have been deployed from the Gaza side. so we'll see how this develops in the next few days. i wouldn't be surprised to see rising anti-palestinian jargon in the state-run egyptian media soon so monitor that. meanwhile, our palestinian brothers have been given a few days of freedom after 38 years under occupation. i call on every true egyptian to go to the borders to witness these very emotional days.

"An issue which I find surprising that anyone would condemn or dare attempt to argue "peace""

Weapon smuggling doesn't harm Israel as much as it wrecked Palestinian society. What society have they got now? a bunch of mercenaries that are now addicted to blood and can no longer live without it, even when the enemy is not around they are setting fires looting, and firing guns to celebrate, this tells u what sort of music feeds their souls. As for Israel, they played it smart, pulling out, they took a license to flatten them from the air if they fire a bullet.

These weapons are actually used within Gaza, in the game of power between the gangs.

So if you don’t believe in arguing peace with Israel, how about the peace within the Palestinian society?

But I know it doesn’t matter to anyone because the vast majority doesn’t love Palestinians or even care how they live. Only two issues motivates the Arab world, their passionate hate to Israel, and Jerusalem, these two passions even blind them from building their own country or cherishing its security.

trust me, opening the borders for a week is not what is going to add to the weapon chaches the resistance and other palestinian factions have. nor is controlling the borders the key factor for inter-Palestinian tension. that's a completely different subject and one that Israel has systemtatically used, as it is using the chaos at the border to show how "backward and inefficient" palestinians and egyptians are. as is usual in their cowardly way, the israelis left without prior alert and completely destroyed any semblance of order at the border that would allow either the palestinian security or the egyptian pussies for that matter have any control. and after the stupid killing of a palestinian the first day, they realised it was not possible to control the situation given lack of basic elements of borders. and don't accuse a palestinian of hating palestinians. or dare call those holding weapons in Gaza mercenaries. those people have been under occupation for 38 years, have lost lives during the first and second intifada and live in terrible conditions. the security tension going on in gaza will not stop because it is not for chaos' sake as much as it is for political maneuvering. unfortunately, the PNA's patronage system has created this result. and if you look at the history of palestinian factions in lebanon and how they operated, you see similar patterns now.

now that Gaza is free of zionists, let me see how many Arabs will think of visiting and offering support. there are no israelis anymore, unlike the stupid excuse egyptians and jordanians made to avoid visiting Gaza and the west bank in 1994. let me see who of those Arabs will consider visiting Palestine and taking action, rather than sitting in front of a screen bitching about how arabs are blinded.

amen to that, me too is interested in watching how many will go, I hear one blogger already went.

will try to go myself in the middle or ramadan keda let's hope the border will still be open then.

lw kan wa7ed masry el et2atal makontosh 3amalto kol dah :D 3shan el masryeen mohaza2een de 7aga tabi3eya

Egyptian border police posted there to stem illegal passage meekly stepped aside on Hamas orders.

Because the Egyptian police failed to control the Gazan border, Cairo wants to rewrite its deal with Israel.

http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/2005/09/palestinian_ram.html

Yesterday, Hamas members used explosives to blow a hole in a concrete fence that runs along the Egypt border, after first clearing the area to prevent casualties. Neither Egyptian nor Palestinian security forces interfered. Afterward, thousands more Palestinians poured across the border.

http://jacklewis.net/weblog/archives/2005/09/palestinians_in.php

Palestinians have to stop projecting their societal shortcomings onto other nations and begin to take responsibility for their culture's faults and weaknesses. Then and only then will they realize that they themselves are creating bad appearances, which is the first step to questioning whether it is truly "appearances" or more a relation to fact -- that something is terribly wrong with Palestinian culture and society.

http://www.markpeters.ca/2005/09/palestinian-problems-are-within.htm