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Sexual harrasement of women in public spaces has been discussed several times before in the Egyptian blogosphere, everybody knows it's prevalent but denial flows like a river in Egypt, any woman dares open the topic has to face an avalanche of abuse on anonymous comments sometimes even from fellow bloggers. blaming the victims is the most common response but sometimes they even deny it happens at all, with the abuse also comes more accounts and stories of how it's like to be female in urban Egypt.

Last tuesday was the first day of Eid El Fitr the streets are typically full of people celebrating and enjoying their time, downtown Cairo is full of cinemas and Eid is the main cinema season, this year Malek, Wael Abbas, Mohammed Sharkawy, Ma3t, GemyHood and Radwa Osama witnessed a mob attacking and sexually harassing women in downtown cairo, their reports sparked heated discussions on the blogosphere, with no shortage of theories everything was blamed at one point or another as being responsible, music videos, sheikhs, israel, drugs, mubarak, class dynamics, you name it.

One topic that always pops out when discussing sexual harassment is the veil since the veil is sometimes promoted as a way to protect women from sexual harassment, yet it's as common to hear complains from veiled women as from unveiled ones, the molesters do not differentiate they attack anything that might be female.

This time the question of policing was brought to the front, downtown Cairo is where most political protests happen it's common to see thousands upong thousands of police officers and anti riot soldiers attacking a few hundred (and sometimes a dozen) protesters yet on a day like the first day of el Eid they failed to show up and protect the women.

As with any interesting discussion it was mostly in Arabic, but we had a few English posts on the topic.

3arabawy wrote a short post focusing on the role (or lack of) of police. Mechanical crowds did a great job of trying to summarize and dissect all the eyewitness accounts and some of the discussions, a must read. Zenobia searches for a reason and Tarek offers an explanation based on identity and culture while chris finds it hard to believe. Hope links the incident with Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali's sermon that offered the metaphor of women as uncovered meat and men as hungry alley cats.

To my knowledge the incident was not mentioned in any traditional/mainstream media outlet, it's being discussed in webforums too, Hossam Deyab did 5 interviews with shop owners in the area, they confirmed the incident but played it down (And also mentioned it's been happening every Eid for a while now).

Welcome to Egypt, if you're visiting bring your taser, pepper spray or body-guard along, we are a warm people and we've got millions of shebab who are eager to show you just how warm we can be.

update: more links

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Nice work Begad Ya Alaa (Y) Teslam ;)


صباحك زى وشك يا مصر

تخــا تخـــا تخـــاريفى

http://t5at5a.blogspot.com

i see that most of the people that got sexually hurasmented are full of hate and they are so angry and that`s ok

but dont dont try to put all of this anger on the islam or the muslims cause the islam prevent the muslims even from looking the woman in a sexually way

so these people are not muslims

so try find a cure to your anger

Saw this on a different blog:

"A “women in black” silent stand will be held next Thursday 9 November from 12-2 @ the Press Syndicate to resent the Eid Events at Downtown."

I don't want to appear as the "complaining foreigner", but this was very noticable this year. I hang around a lot with foreign girls who everyone knows get a lot of harassment all the time, but yes, even more during eid.

If I was to be vulgar I'd suggest that this is a "ventile" after a holy month of piety. I think that's too simple though. However, I think these problems are quite easily discerned, in a society with a social segregation between sexes, at least among ordinary people, while marriage for many is hold off until they reach 30 or 40, such things are almost bound to arise. Doesn't mean perputrators are innocent or guiltless.

However, my question is more, as someone who has lived in Syria and traveled other parts of this region quite a lot, why this problem is so especially strong in Egypt. It's not like sexual harassment doesn't happen other places in the Middle East (or indeed, in Europe), it does all over the world, but why is this so extremely tangible in Egypt?

I don't buy the whole marriage is tough and sexual segregation explanations. I don't think they are valid problems in Egypt, marriage isn't that tough, we are not that segregated and sex happens all the time.

yeah we talk about segregation and we don't talk about sex happening, and yeah we talk about marriage being tough but until I see real statistics on the whole marriage thing that shows distribution over age groups, geographical distribution, correlation with educational degree and some measure of social/economical class I'm not buying it.

I don't want to make any strong claims either. Still, Egypt is without doubt more segregated than Western Europe. That doesn't mean that it's correct to talk about "segregation between sexes" as if it was an absolute thing. It's obviously not, and the situation is also of course much more varied and complex than the typical orientalist assumptions.

Mainly I want to ask questions. I still wonder why this problem is worse in Egypt than in Syria, for instance. And I also wonder, Alaa, don't you suppose average male marriage age is quite high, or at least higher than Egypt, say, 30 or 50 years ago? I ask questions because I don't know... :-)

as I said I need real statistics, I know people talk about delayed marriage but as far as my can tell with my own casual observation it's not as big a problem as people make it.

also the whole marriage costs alot thing is a middle class thing, marriage is as expensive as living.

I am from another Muslim country, not from Middle East. I am apalled at this incident. Although attraction towards opposite sex cause youth to take actions which elders find hard to comprehend, element of violence that involved here is matter of shame. Two things should be done.

1: Egyptian men should ask formal forgiveness from women who suffered during this.

2: Laws against abuse should be made stricter and strictly enforced.

It is important to know the root causes of this mob behaviour.First, muslim men are getting away from practising religion, ot offering prayers which helps in keeping mind from vulgur thoughts. Second, increase in communication technologies help images in one societies transport to other societies with different value systems. A naked model in states dont excite young boy mind as much as it can in muslim society as western boy see that images in everyday life.Third, thresshold to marriage should be decresed in muslim socities by offerring finacial help and communication help. A single man in 30 can be tired of very long self control. Frustratoin can surface in many ways depending upon his moral and ethical standings. Fourth, men and women should be allowed to date in order to understand each other better and learn to respct more. Men in muslim societies see woman as creatures from another planet.

--May God forgive and help Us. Amen

Well, this is where Darwin comes in... Animal origins... But wait... Was the theory talking about humanity as a whole or just about Egyptians?

No offense, I'm half foreigner, half Egyptian, through my experiences, I found a lot of superficial things that meant a lot to Egyptians -and when I say a lot, I talk about deep hardcore die-for feelings. Digging more, maybe these are the dominating religion's roots? I won't comment more on this part, can get too offensive, but it's obvious that it's all superficial from the very beginning (1500 years ago) till today.

I'm not saying that harassment doesn't doesn't happen in the whole world except here, actually it does, more than here, but also more human than this. "Wallah Ma Enni Sayem", sorry, but my hairy ass. What? You're going to try to convince me that you spent a whole month without having sex? (if you're a "heavy-sexer"), my hairy ass again, the minute the Iftar hits, you eat as much as you can, looking like a fucking pig, finish as fast as you can so you can be the first in line, get the best "job" (drugs) and the best bitch around (which was fasting too, mind you)...

I'm not generalizing here, not everyone is like this, but the majority is... Instead of living their lives, they try to find their way out of following their religion. I hear things like "cossom el seyam", "yekhreb bet el seyam 3ala elli gab el seyam" or if this person is a bit educated (HA!), you hear "manta 3aref el seyam"... THEN WHY IN HELL ARE YOU FASTING IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE?!

I don't get it, I just don't... The answer is right there, really simple, I can see it, but I just can't get it...

Then comes in next, "do cigarettes stop your fasting?" Why the hell do you care? You smoke? Then if you can't hold it for you sake, do it for God's, because he asked you... Oh, God will forgive you for 1 cigarette? Oh, asl el sayye2a be 2 points wel 7asana be 10? The only answer to this is: "Tayyeb" then leave and laugh your ass off as much as you can...

Actually, going back to animals, I've never seen 1000 male dogs trying to get to touch a female dog's tit... What the fuck?! I mean, don't you have a wife or something? Then go taste her mammals... If you're not married, don't you have Internet? Go jerk off at home or something, but I don't want to see you around fulfilling your desire in the middle of the street!

Those men are helpless, I really don't know how to describe this, seriously I'm shocked, it's starting to hurt me whenever I say the word "sorry" to an Egyptian or feel guilty about shouting or insulting someone in the street (because he did something very stupid, mind you), you should burn in hell man, or if you did a lot of "7asanat", then go burn anywhere but in front of me, because, I don't care if you have a problem, I really don't, I'm not helping you at all, save your own life, because those women, had to save theirs on their own...

I caught something on the news today about Israel bombing something somewhere in Egypt, well, my dream is coming true, I love Israel more than I love all of the Egyptians together, more than I pity those women and more than I hate those men and than I hate this government! I just wish and pray to God (also called "Allah" if you want it your way) that Israel would just blow up every single corner of this country and start something useful, use this land instead of abusing it and start a civilization.

I just said "government", where were you when this was happening (whoever pussy you are who was supposed to be helping those women out)? If I was at your place, I would have got the Army out killing everyone and leaving no trace of any fucking pig of Egyptian around, they would have deserved it.

I don't pity those dying people in Palestine or Lebanon, I said this before, Israel is worth the land more than any Arab and more than anyone living on Earth, Arabs are a bunch of talking animals, they are a shame on humanity.

-Fred

PS: The "you" used here goes to every pig -and I say it again, YOU PIGS- who was there harassing those women.

it's the minority. ask your self why all the commenters on all blogs consider those attackers PIGS. simply, because all of them refuse this and will not participate in this and if they can, they will defend the girls. in fact, i'm sure that I WILL NOT ALLOW this to happen in front of my eyes while standing still. most of the egyptian men will do the same.

it's not the majority who did this and most of the egyptians don't accept this.

and it's not the islam who ordered them to do these actions.

ask yourself this question " if islamic laws are present. would any body find in him the courage - if we can call it courage - to do this harassment ? "

and why are you blaming ISLAM for this.. actually because you as we say in egypt " 3ayez ganazah we teshba3 feeha latm"

I believe Angry Man. I believe that most men would not participate in this sort of thing (although there is something to the crowd mentality, to the horrible things that otherwise-good people do in crowds).

But...then, what next? How do (right-thinking) men and women, Egyptian or half-Egyptian or non-Egyptian or whatever, band together so that it doesn't happen next year? (Or tomorrow, etc.?)

Am I being too simplistic? Probably, sure. Sure. But is there some way to convert some of the anger and disgust into something, anything positive?

i am sorry to pop your bubble but i think you are wrong. you must be a man, because only a man would say that it is not the majority.

i consider myself a pretty tolerant and fearless person. however, after 5 years living in cairo as a foreign woman, i am very very fearful. and for good reason. almost every single man on the street stares at me the minute i step out. and its not because im particularly beautiful, im sure any other woman can back me up here. and they are not staring in a "nice" way, if you can differentiate. no, they are staring in a filthy, defiling way. countless men say dirty comments to me, some of which i understand. countless men have grabbed me, including 10 year old boys. countless men stop their cars trying to pick me up. a lot of men have followed me, sometimes all the way home while i am walking. sometimes i notice that they are "taking care of themselves" while they follow me, to put it politely. i have had countless men actually open their pants at me and sometimes threaten me with their penises. a few times men have grabbed me and wouldn't let me go. once i managed to elbow a man in the neck, winding him enough so i could get away.

i have screamed for help on a few occasions. although the streets are sometimes crowded, NOBODY does anything. a couple of times, gangs of boys have actually thrown rocks at me.

and which woman in egypt does not know about the countless men that take advantage fo the close quarters in the buses? or when you're walking on teh street and its impossible to keep your 2 meter radius from men. somehow a stray hand always manages to feel your leg or your thigh, or worse.

this is not a minority of men. im sorry to say. i might have used to accept such an idea, but not after all these years of continual disappointment. and i have to say disappointment, because at heart i have never been the type to assume bad of someone. i usually expect the best out of people. so i am in a state of being continually disappointed.

i dont believe this is human nature. this is animal nature winning over human nature. i DO blame the fact that many men, maybe including men in many other societies are not raised to practice self-control. here in eygpt i notice that it seems to be largely the responsibility of WOMEN to make sure that men are not "seduced". which is a green light for men to do whatever they want and never be accountable for their own actions and their own choices.

i am not shocked by what happened during Eid. but that doesn't mean i am not deeply saddened at the state of affairs. in fact it is almost always on my mind, as one of the single most perssing issues facing arab society today.

i couldn't agree more..

"and why are you blaming ISLAM for this.. actually because you as we say in egypt " 3ayez ganazah we teshba3 feeha latm""

i am not blaming islam, i am blaming phoniness in people, maybe this is due to the fact that they exploit the religion, but this isnt the subject right now..

another thing, look, no hard feelings, but no matter what you think, say or do, ill still and always say what i think and will speak it loud, if you dont like it, you can simply not listen to me, but i believe in something called freedom, maybe you don't due to the restrictions that are "written" on you.. but this is nothing of my business..

"actually because you as we say in egypt " 3ayez ganazah we teshba3 feeha latm"" see? is this the way things work in islam? i guess so, as obvious all around the world. im sorry, but it needs more civilization. and this is why i call arabs animals, because they think that everything comes with fighting, killing, etc...

i will have to disagree with you, it's the majority, the average egyptian envies you from the bottom of his heart because you own a car, or even a watch, or would even go all the way down to the way you wear. let me ask you something, what happens when a girl/woman/lady walks in the street (no matter veiled or not) with a little tight pants? every single man at least looks at her, if doesn't throw out a couple of words and if doesn't try to hook up with her? 99.9% of the girls i know get this all the time, even at sporting clubs (which are not completely public places). how are they supposed to feel secure? sorry, but it is the majority, and it is not because islamic rules are not applied, they ARE applied, but people twist them around.. the more you restrict a human being, the more he will revolt against you...

"and it's not the islam who ordered them to do these actions. "

i never said it ordered, i has been twisted and worked around to make those people completely legit, not just in harassment, but in other things that i mentioned (like taking drugs, hooking whores, etc...)

i hope you understand my point of view, im open to discuss more.

-fred

First of all, sorry for my late response. but, i only reply in my break time.

- "another thing, look, no hard feelings, but no matter what you think, say or do, ill still and always say what i think and will speak it loud, if you dont like it, you can simply not listen to me, but i believe in something called freedom"

actually.. I'm listening. and Yes, i know freedom. you are truely welcomed to say whatever you want.

- "maybe you don't due to the restrictions that are "written" on you.. but this is nothing of my business.. "

written by who ? i only know the regime. and if you mean the relegion.. i say No. there is nothing to fear at all. as you said before, it's not Islam who we should blame for this. it's the way the "CURRENT" "nowadays" moslems behave. and to be fair not all of them.

- "is this the way things work in islam?" i don't get it.

- "and this is why i call arabs animals, because they think that everything comes with fighting, killing, etc... " tell me who thinks in a different way" from your point of view". this is not our subject any way. but, only remember what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan by Americans and Britsh, in Sheshan by Russians, in Kashmir by Indians, in Kosovo, in Bosnia, even china. this doesn't mean i agree on this. and this was not the case all the time. remember what happened when saladin enetered Jursalim and what happened when Crusaders entered it.

- "it's the majority, " i still insist that this is NOT true. the existence of all those people will not make them the majority. one of my close friends was there and he tried to help the girls and got beaten. they are not humans at all.

i understand you as well. and i'm open to discuss it.

"- "and this is why i call arabs animals, because they think that everything comes with fighting, killing, etc... " tell me who thinks in a different way" from your point of view". this is not our subject any way. but, only remember what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan by Americans and Britsh, in Sheshan by Russians, in Kashmir by Indians, in Kosovo, in Bosnia, even china. this doesn't mean i agree on this. and this was not the case all the time. remember what happened when saladin enetered Jursalim and what happened when Crusaders entered it."

can you re-read your post and tell me what you notice? personally, i notice that all of the wars you mentioned involve muslims, do you think that the whole world is cruel and wrong, and that muslims are the good pure ones that didn't do anything in the first place? reconsider please.

- "i notice that all of the wars you mentioned involve muslims, do you think that the whole world is cruel and wrong"

yes, that's right. but, i didn't know that the muslims invaded kosovo, kashmir, jursalim,shishan, afghanistan and Iraq.

i think they are in the defense. or... shouldn't they ?!!!

besides, if all the people except one person only think that something is right, that will not make it right.

in defense? maybe they did something in the first place that pushed other parties to attack.. don't you think?

"besides, if all the people except one person only think that something is right, that will not make it right." exactly, so it doesn't make those muslims right..

tell me what thet did in palastine to make Israel take their land, what they did in Kosovo and Bosnia to make The cheristians kill them, what they did in shishan. -if you remember, the explosions in Russia were made by the Russians to envade the Shishan.

and tell me, whre is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq ???!!!

and this also doesn't make others right.

Needs more clarification’

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

“The uncovered meat is the problem.”

he is not blaming them for the attacks. he is blaming them for giving the Dogs the chance .

1. so then this leader 100% agrees with me that muslim men are exactly like animals, no difference.. ?? (due to the fact that the only difference between man and animal is the ability to control his desire)... right?

2. if your _neighbor_ (man) is making too much noise and this is annoying _you_ (woman), is for you _to_leave your _apartment_ (get veiled) or for him to stop _making_noise_ (harassing you) ?

Most egyptian men are pigs!! all most everytime a women walks down the street, she is harassed!! Egyptian men are animals, and i dont understand how anyone could defend them in any way for what they did during the eid, and for what they do everyday!! How can you call yourselfs muslims? how can u say this is an islamic nation with good warm people. What i see and experince everyday makes me disgusted!

مش عارف لية كل نطع يتكلم عن المصريين يدخل الاسلام فى كلامة يعنى كان شاف البطاقات والرقم القومى وعرف ان اللى عملوا العمايل الوسخة دول مسلمين؟ والا بكس امة افترض ان مصر ما فيهاش غير مسلمين؟ والا فاكر ان مصر زى مملكة الامؤاخذة مافيهاش غير مدعى الاسلام من الوهابيين؟ مصر بلد متدينة اة لكن اللى عمل كدة شباب سقطت امامة كل القيم لا هوة عارف يشتغل لان الشغل محجوز لاولاد البطة المدلعة كان هناك قيمة اسمها التعليم ,وكان اللى عايز يعلا يتعلم واللى يتعلم حسب تعليمة يلاقى شغل سقطت قيمة العلم والتعليم واصبحت موضة قديمة كان هناك مصانع تعمل وتنتج وتستوعب عمالة توقف تطويرها وعين لها معرصين لادارتها وبدل خريجى كليات التجارة ادارة الاعمال ,اختير نتاج العسكرية العثمانلى الى خربت تركيا كل همة الحضور والانصراف ودهان الارضيات والجدران لتبدوا نظيفة ماهو ما عندوش غير كدة يعرفة النتيجة انهيار القطاع العام الحل انة يتباع وبالتالى تغلق فرص العمل وعشان نبقى على الموضة نفتح مجال الدعارة على البحرى ونسميها سياحة ونعلم شبابنا ان القرش هوا القيمة النتيجة لا عمل ,لاعلم,وقيم جديدة تظهر كان فين اللى بيتكلموا عن الاسلام لما دة كلة حصل؟ سرقة جهد شعب واهدار امل شبابة وتشوية مثلة العليا والا الاسلام حجاب واسدال للمرأة ,ودقن وجلابية للراجل؟

I think you need to seek some urgent help. You are full of hate to Egyptians and Arabs but you live among them on their land. You would love to create history to bring your Hebrew tribes to rule over the cradle of civilisation. More interestingly you have delsuions of a new map where your savage state will replace our troubled state. You are so angry because you know it will never happen. Well, It is time to get some therapy

Oh no, sorry, i live among them, but NOT on their land, read a little about history... anyways, if you still want to discuss who was here first im open, but this isn't in the scope of the subject... you don't really need to tell me that im pathetic and that i need therapy, i know this :) seriously, i agree with you, i do need mental help...

but, wait, did you say "cradle of civilization"???!!! im sorry, take a look at lifestyles in the arabic world (im not talking about who has more money, im talking about more civilized and sophisticated people)... lebanon and israel, hands down... even thought why?! israel, obvious, no muslims live there. lebanon, because it was ruled by christians and everyone lived freely muslims, christians, atheists, jews, etc... -----UNTIL----- the 1980s, when it was taken by "FORCE" by muslims, and what happened since? you know it im sure, wars, damage, people dying, etc... why? because arabs think everything comes by war and blood, then they blame the others, normal arabic behavior. maybe due to the fact that "al gaheleyya" is still showing some symptoms... i don't know...

i am not angry because of a NEW map i have in mind, this "NEW" map was there before even the Prophet Muhammed was born, and im sure it will come back because history repeats itself, i dont care if it comes in my lifetime, at least my kids or their kids will have their rights back.

the reason i am angry is what happened that day, on a "EID", what does this explain to you? i would like to know.

-Fred

Oh, yeah. Everything was great in Lebanon until 1980. I'd be laughing hysterically if it wasn't so sad for someone half-Arab to not know Arab history. There was no violence, no sectarian strife, no tensions caused by Palestinians forced to flee their own land, there was no corruption, everything was fair between Christians and Muslims. And now, Muslims and Christians are killing each other so much. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say Jews are killing Muslims and Christians so much. My bad.

Oh you are too funny. Do people laugh when you talk to them or do they just pretend they didn't hear you? I'm trying to figure out which I would do. Hmm....

palestinian sold their own land out.. this is a historical fact.. i have a lot of palestinian friends and they can assure you this.. also will assure you that the palestinian population is the worst ever..

you have a very wrong and dangerous philosophy fred -that where someone is with their society (from the point of view of economic and social development) says everything about who they are as human beings. look at where the jews were at in the fifties in Europe. according to your theory they got what they deserved. dehumanizing by people with views like you is what led to crimes against jews (which you seem to sympathize with).

Clearly history unfolds in cycles where sometimes a civillization is up other times down. you clearly missed the basic lesson in primary school that there are 'bad' people everywhere, in all religions and ethnicities. of course if as to the palestinians you treat any human being like a dog for decades and sooner or later he will start acting like one. yes some palestinians sold their land but that is a normal economic act -jews had lived in Palestine and done business with arabs for thousands of years. why should the palestinians be punished for not being immediately suspicious of a jewish ploy to rob them of their country and kick them out. what right did the jews have to displace 700,000 people -some very violently. maybe you should read about jewish terrorism (stern gang etc) at the turn of the century if you think the palestinians just "sold" their country. i live and study in the west but have been to israel and the west bank and seen the apartheid system against palestinians. i respect the arabs for being some of the kindest most dignified people, who are just at a bad turning point in their history. of course there are sleazebags and criminals in every culture and having women wear a hijab won't change the motivations of someone who wants to break the law.

Hello there, this is for Fredmorcos. And ther is no other way to reach you. Fred I hear you !

And you are one of those special people who can see.

But you are full of anger. You are suffering. It is one world and we are all one people. And you are not half anything. You are a full egyptian and a full foreigner. You never stated what your second nationality is. I am german and I am egyptian. Both full and complete. And we, those with multiple nationalities, we are the diplomats of the world. We get full-blown insights into more than one world. And thus by birth we already have a broadened mind. Find to your center and yourself- accept yourself completely- Life will become better for you- more relaxed. And if you have the urge to- being centered in yourself- you can do a lot of good to mankind in helping unifying the world. Our planet is here for all of us to live where we like to. And there are good and bad in every race and nation.

Good wishes to you
Mona

I am one of the females who got sexually harassed on downtown streets, more specifically on Talaat Harb street starting from Metro Cinema until the beginning of Sabry Abu Alam street.

There were two other friends with me, a female and her male.

We felt like we were in a war--I had my self defense spray was emptied on the endless number of guys who surrounded us and yet still wasn't enough.

We, girls, had our butts, breasts, and every inch in our bodies grabbed. I end up slipping into a car that was parking on the road side when I tried to catch one of the guys who insisted and never gave up on grabbing my butt. I end up with a deep cut in my right hand palm and another one on my thumb of the same hand as I slipped into the cars head light that broke and cut my hand. 6 stitches on my hand palm cut and 3 on my thumb--still my anger is pretty fresh in the deep inside of me that wants me to put all Egyptian men on fire right now for what they have caused. What the fuck mother fuckers? Don't you have sisters who can also face the same thing as we did? How the fuck would you feel about this knowing your sister's butt and breasts got grabbed by the guys on the street?

I think you better act cold towards that since you might be one of the assholes who grab other girls asses. But let me tell you this: It's NOT and NEVER the girl to blame you sons of a bitches, it's NEVER the girl, NEVER! It's you to blame for doing such things to girls who you could consider them sisters and try to protect them not fucking grab them and show the world the worst picture of how Muslim men are who say and insist on how good people they are, but to tell you the truth, Muslim men are the worst human being on the entire planet and they just don't know it. Oh no, they don't even deserve to be called human beings, they are ANIMALS--DIRTY PIGS! Mother fuckers, You're putting Islam in the worst image ever in front of the world, so don't be so surprised when the westerners call you TERRORISTS which I simply agree with them! Think about it, assholes, think about it!

Hi there, I am sorry to read what had happened to you. I am conerned how it might affect you. Professionally, I strongly advice you to stop visualising this sad episode in your mind over and over again. It can affect you for longer than necessay. You will only get more agnery and frustrated. It is like playing a bad record. You know how painful it is. I urge you to stop thiniking about it. Everytime it jumps in your mind say to yourself "shut up". Try to replace it with some nice memory or experience. If you need to contact me please send me an email [email protected]

If you care about your mental health, don't EVER forget what happened. Honor your anger, because what happened to you is an unbelievable violation.

Hiding what happens leads to shame, and shame (for something which is not your fault) will lead to much more harm than anger. Your anger is honest, it will protect you from shame which will absolutely cripple you.

Your anger is righteous. What happened to you is NOT your fault.

Who said that the inhuman who did the above crimes are only Muslims? It's usually Muslims and Christians who go the cinema during the eid holidays.. How could you know that the one initiated the whole crime is not Christian?

I'm not trying to defend the Muslims and accuse Christians, but I totally disagree with pointing fingers without any proof. In addition, we can't generalize. So if these crimes were initiated by Christians, that doesn't mean all Christians are bad.

I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you. The Egyptian Center for Women's Rights has been running a campaign against sexual harassment. We're still in the beginning phase but please contact us and get involved. We can work together to try to stop this behavior in the future. My email's [email protected]

They 're nothing but mere "Pigs'... "animals" even the word animals is much more elevated regarding their cheap , uncultured, 'hooligan','Ignorant', 'bestial', arrogant & macho ME men"; they should be put in concentration camps to be gazed... Really, Like the Anti-NAzzi Felling, I'm growing a similar feeling of hate towards those nagging assholes... & WHERE IS SECURTY... Those 'flies' should be exterminated.... for God's sake

"It's you to blame for doing such things to girls who you could consider them sisters and try to protect them not fucking grab them and show the world the worst picture of how Muslim men are who say and insist on how good people they are, but to tell you the truth, Muslim men are the worst human being on the entire planet and they just don't know it. Oh no, they don't even deserve to be called human beings, they are ANIMALS--DIRTY PIGS! Mother fuckers, You're putting Islam in the worst image ever in front of the world, so don't be so surprised when the westerners call you TERRORISTS which I simply agree with them! Think about it, assholes, think about it!"

Amen.

I saw the groups of young men (teenagers, it seemed for the most part) walking around downtown, esp Talaat Harb, and had two main questions: one, during Ramadan many of these young people were walking around the same streets with their families, where were the families during Eid, and why were all these young men out with their pals - are they college students who don't have families in Cairo? Two, I thought that one of the (very few) advantages of the police state in Egypt was that one felt secure - I mean, the comments you get in Cairo are definitely an annoyance, but it doesn't usually cross over to aggression, I feel much safer here as a woman than in many other cities. So where were the cops in Eid? Do they actually not matter so much then, is it mostly self-policing on the part of males?

I have been living abroad for more than 10 years. I miss Egypt and dreaming of coming back till I read about the Eid sexual harassments outrage. I never had any hang ups over sex or moral views about it. I literally could not sleep last night after I read this news. I am very distressed and feel ashamed. I will avoid making moral judgement or stating the obvious. My concern is the meaning of this act. This is not about sexual oppression, in my view it is just a lame excuse. This act of violence inflicted on women simply because they are unable to physically hit back. People who committed this act have no respect to their humanity, to their families or their society. It is just another piece of evidence of the turmoil that about to engulf the whole society. People who really care about the country should abstain of morally panicking or contribute to spreading panic. Let us ask logical questions like what stopped the police from doing their job. Who were in charge in the Qaser el Neil police station when that happened? Did they receive any phone SOS calls or official complaints? What did they do about it? Frankly guys, this is the only way to prevent feeling of shame of belonging to our society to creep in. Demoralising our people at this crucial stage of our history is the worse thing that can happen. Be vigilant

Don't know if anyone has discussed this aspect, but apparently a similar mob attack happened in New York City's Central Park in 2000. CNN article.

discussed here before and mentioned several times in comments, but not in any constructive sense, just as a prove that we are not the only country that sucks.

Hi everybody....

I wasn't in Egypt, when all this ordeal' happened...

I would never believe that such events took place here in downtown Cairo??? This sounds , like we're a devastaded country by war .... without any 'Order' or 'Security infrastructer''... Cairo... OMG, That's rediculous... Never thought that such an incidence would happen in the center of Cairo under Police eyes.... WTF is going on???